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  1. This is great, and I think, much needed right now.
    The sin of detraction has been on my mind lately, as our local election cycle heats up. The race for sheriff is particularly getting a bit ugly. Where is the line between telling a truth that damages someone’s good name, and needing to tell such a truth because the circumstances are grave?

  2. BobG

    “I think one of the biggest problems is that we get too wrapped up in hot-button issues like abortion”

    You are wrong.

    • I don’t think I am. Is it your assumption that I think abortion isn’t “all that big of a deal”? Because rest assured I recognize it for the evil that it is. The point here is that we focus so much on one evil, that we blind ourselves to the rest of it that surrounds us. That’s a favorite trick of the devil. In this situation, we are so quick to call for politicians who support abortion to be denied the Eucharist, but never those who throw their support behind other grave evils. It is very hypocritical and spiritually dangerous.

  3. johnnyc

    “I think one of the biggest problems is that we get too wrapped up in hot-button issues like abortion.”

    Pope Francis speaks of a ‘disposable culture’. If we don’t respect life at it’s conception we will not respect life at any stage rich or poor.

      • johnnyc

        Well that is the reason the Catholic Church gets so ‘wrapped up’ about abortion and homosexual marriage btw. Obviously a homosexual marriage is not open to life.

        CCC 2250 “The well-being of the individual person and of both human and Christian society is closely bound up with the healthy state of conjugal and family life

        • You should read my other blogs on abortion and marriage. You’re not saying anything I haven’t already covered. You’ve taken one sentence and made this post about something totally different.

  4. “In fact, the only way that we can know for sure that a person is “persevering in manifest grave sin” and must be withheld from receiving is when they are divorced and remarried without an annulment. As we have discussed before, this puts an individual in a permanent state of adultery.”

    As much as I disagree with this being the ONLY case, I agree it is a case.

    What do you think of what was made public about “Pope Francis” same day that the Crucifix toppled over and killed a man?

    He had Monday 21 of April phoned a priest and ordered him to give Communion to a woman in permanent state of adultery (as you just put it).

    This was made public knowledge Wednesday 23 of April. AND same day the Crucifix toppled over.

  5. Travis

    “In fact, the only way that we can know for sure that a person is “persevering in manifest grave sin” and must be withheld from receiving is when they are divorced and remarried without an annulment”

    This is wrong on so many levels. First, we have no idea if the remarried person has gone to Confession and abstaining from sex until their annulment is decided.

    Second, you are not distinguishing between obstinately sinning and sinning. An obstinate sinner, like Nancy Pelosi for example, is far different from a normal Joe or Jane who falters and sins. Rep. Pelosi has been corrected about her rejection and opposition to Church teaching by her bishop AND the Pope. And yet she “OBSTINATELY” refuses to recant her views and continues to oppose Church teaching. This is FAR different from someone who knows something is sinful and falters and sins. That person is not contradicting Church teaching, they just didn’t live up to it. Rep. Pelosi causes scandal to the whole Church, the faithful, and those who are not Christian. Faithful Catholics grow frustrated the faith is being maligned, marginal or badly-catechized Catholics erroneously think Church teaching can be ignored by Catholics, and those outside the Church (especially other Christians who might consider converting) look and see a Church in disarray and may not convert.

    Third, the other key word is MANIFEST. An apostate Catholic like Rep. Pelosi is a public official, who has made her pro-abortion, pro-same sex “marriage”, and other views contrary to Church teaching EXPLICITLY clear in public forums. Repeatedly. At NO time has she ever changed those views. Even giving her the benefit of the doubt as you do, that she MAY have gone to Confession before Mass, she has NOT removed her contrary beliefs from her public webpages, or made any type of announcement of her changed views. As such, she has NOT repented of her views. She CONTINUES in those views. So her rejection of Church teaching is absolutely manifest to the all the world. Contrast this to the average Joe. His views are his own, they are not public, and so the bishop/priest has no idea on if he rejects or accepts Church teaching. So out of charity, he should assume that Joe accepts those teachings. This is NOT the case of Rep. Pelosi. Her views are completely known.

    In short, she is 1. obstinate, 2. manifest, and 3. persevering in grave sin. Canon 915 is NOT optional. It MUST be imposed on her. And faithful Catholics are right to demand that priests, bishops, and popes hold to Catholic teaching and Canon law. If laity never confronted our shepherds to demand they shepherd, we would still have the Bishop of Rome residing in France.

    • Again, I never mentioned Pelosi, but regardless…

      Wouldn’t it be better for the Church to just go ahead an excommunicate her? If she’s consistently going against Church teaching, wouldn’t it be easier if she were just booted out? On that same note, you mention that 915 is not optional and MUST be imposed on her. Maybe, but it’s still not your call. She’s been admonished. Receiving unworthily is on her shoulders, not yours. It’s up to the Bishop to decide. Not you. You have to ask yourself, why hasn’t anything happened? Do you believe that there’s some sort of apathy or corruption among the Church authority? Or do you think there’s a different reason? You ever stop to think that maybe this whole ordeal with ANY politician isn’t as clear cut as some of us would like to think it is?

      As far as your first charge, I stand by what I said. If someone is in the process of an annulment, been to confession, and is remaining chaste, then they’re absolutely doing the right thing. That’s why I put context on that sentence “without and annulment.” That is actually a clear cut condition when the Church won’t offer the Eucharist.

      Look, you say that faithful Catholics grow frustrated with badly-catechized Catholics. So speak up. And I don’t mean against something, speak FOR something. Instead of focusing on whether or not some other Catholic is “doing it right”, worry about whether or not YOU’RE doing it right. Be a witness to what is true. Spread that truth to others. If you want to fight back, fight with evangelization. If you’re honestly, truly concerned that someone is doing a disservice to the faith and turning people away from the Church, then speak up for the truth of Church teaching. And if you get a chance to admonish them personally, go for it! If you truly care about the should of a “badly-Catechized” Catholic, then pray for them instead of chastising them. And if at the end of it all you’re still stuck with the burden of the sins of another Catholic, then go to the Bishop, not the internet. Go out and Catechize correctly, and leave the penalties and laws and all everything else up to the Church authority.

      • Travis

        “You ever stop to think that maybe this whole ordeal with ANY politician isn’t as clear cut as some of us would like to think it is?”

        And that’s the problem. It is clear cut. We fallen humans don’t want it clear cut. But the faith is clear cut. It is FAR past time for bishops, priests, AND laity to stop blurring and obscuring the faith. Proclaim it boldly! And when someone is working contrary to the faith, we must CLEARLY state the truth. This obfuscation of the faith does great harm. Pretending that there could be some justified reason for not imposing Canon 915 is hogwash.

        And let’s not forget something vitally important. We must never forget there is another Person we must consider in this equation. Namely, we must never forget that Jesus is really, truly Present in the Eucharist. And when we willingly allow His Body to be profaned by entering into the body of an obstinate, manifest, grave sinner, we do more injury to Him. He comes to us COMPLETELY dependent and trusting in our care. He is as vulnerable as He was when He was born a baby. Would we allow someone to harm Him as a baby? Why are we okay with it now?

        “If you’re honestly, truly concerned that someone is doing a disservice to the faith and turning people away from the Church, then speak up for the truth of Church teaching.”

        I just did. And will continue to do so. I’ll do it in my private life, with those I interact personally, AND when possible with those in public life in many different avenues, including the internet. The Christian faith is NOT private. And it is just as important to correct falsehoods about the faith as it is to properly proclaim it. When we as a Church don’t correct obstinate, manifest, grave sinners, we invalidate everything we proclaim. We are NOT living out what we claim to profess.

        • Well, God bless you in your walk. I mean that sincerely. You’re obviously passionate about the faith, and that’s always uplifting to see. I appreciate you reading, and I hope you’ll continue to do so.

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